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Gene Unregistered User (2/28/03 6:45 pm) Reply	NOVA II Hi cozad and Stefan, The forum wouldn't let me respond so I had to make another topic, damn, and I really wanted to continue posting on there! Did you guys have any trouble posting on the forum? Cozad, wow it's been a long time since I've read that interview with Linda, I forgot the details of Linda's and Zanucks divorce was even in there. Well atleast this time I've supplied you two with good imormation other than those other two interviews. Did you guys have any questions or things you talked about on the other topics in "NOVA" that you guys wanted to tell or ask now that I can't see the messages while I'm replying. Later, -Gene
Gene Unregistered User (2/28/03 8:17 pm) Reply	What are you guys up to? Perhaps Linda does read this, I'm really anxtiouse to know, perhaps we'll never know though, maybe not daily, perhaps one day she leaves the board for a few days then comes back and sees much we right and thinks, boy did I miss a lot! There are some posting that I hope she sees yet there are some that I hope she doesn't read though because it would kind of be rather embarassing, but I hope she reads more than I hope she doesn't read though. And from time to time I go back and see waht we wrote on here, sometimes I even go back and look at what you two wrote before I was on here, I love the fact that what we wrote was recorded and look back and see the marvelouse things we talked about $:\$ . Later, -Gene PS, I think I'll make another topic (not for us to talk on but for the other people on this message board who hesitate to write on here)
cozad Unregistered User (3/1/03 3:58 am) Reply	Linda's divorce and her freindship with Natalie Trundy I Gene. I think Stefan will be gone untill sometime next week. He said he was taking a trip. Yes, about Natalie Trundy I read an interview she gave in which she said Arthur Jacabs (POTA producer) was twenty-five years older than her (Natalie). He met her when she was fifteen-working on a film (he was the films publisist at the time) and told her mother, "When she grows up I'm going to marry her." Some might take this as a joke but he was serious! And he actually did. He kept track of her all through her youth and never wavered in his desire to Marry her. He told someone once that she was the only woman he ever wanted to marry. After she grew up he asked her to marry him and she actually accepted; a real love story. Unfortunately he died in his mid fifties. But as far as I know they had a great marriage despite the age difference. Yes, that was an interesting interview Linda gave. She seemed hesitant to close any doors but at the time she said that she had pretty much retired from acting. However that was in 1995 and now she's moved to Los Angeles so I suspect she may have had a change of heart (or possibly she just wanted to live closer to her sons and her grandchild, or both). Yes, I was very saddend when I read about the events leading to Linda's divorce. She must have been a very emotionaly vulnerable person at the time; to go from liveing in a small town to being the wife of a successful studio head and famous producer must have been an enormous shock to her; especially considering how young she was. I can see how that could happen however. I was a lot more vulnerable in my twenties; searching for meaning and looking for guidance, so I can apreciate her state of mind to a certain extent (even though I'm a man I am human). It saddens me that she seems to have been preyed upon in this way. I'm glad that she was able to maintain a freindly relationship with Zanuck after the divorce (although it was probably a challenge initially as divorce is such a tramatic thing). He could have been a real S.O.B. about it but they both seem to have been kind to one another and he seems to respect her as the mother of his sons. They both seem to have put the welfair of the children first. Yes, I think you can only make about 501 measages per thread. So after Stefans measage there was no way any of us could post another on that thread. I like the title you gave to this thread (Nova II). It keeps the continuity going. I really don't know if Linda reads these measages or not. I think she did at one time but we write so much I'm no longer sure. Perhaps we should ask her one day. I try not to leave any measages for her except on special occations; like Christmas, but the next time I do I'll ask. She might not tell however . -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/1/03 11:00 am) Reply	Hey, Hi, That sounds like a romantic story between Natalie Trundy and Arther P. Jacobs, age really doesn't matter just like looks don't matter, as long as your happy with that person. There are a lot of relationships in Hollywood which have couples which where one is way older than the other, like Micheal Dougless and Katherine Zetta Jones, and did you hear of Charlie Chaplines last marrage, He was 60 and the girl was 18 (now there's a man who like them young!), it must have been love because when he died the women became a nun (I don't know if I spelled that correctly) I think Linda had a change of heart after that interview because in one other I gave you guys she said she plans to make more movies, I wont worry about it though, it's Lindas life, and of course I want to see her in more film, but she can change her mind as many times as she can. $:\$ When I read about the divorce between Linda and Zanuck I was also sad, it also made me like Zanuck a lot, it shows that he is a strong person and will move on and still be very good friends. I also like the title of this thread, I was thinking if someone was reading the thread ("NOVA") and liked it but when it ends (as Stefan had the last say in there), well just when you thought it was over! It's back! It's NOVA II! . You know it's also kind of funny because if you hadn't included Stefans last posting then it would have ended with Stefans/Charlton Hestons famouse "DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!" and that how POTA ended, let's just hope that the last posting on here won't be "I'm going to blow up the planet" . Perhaps Linda does read this message board sometimes, it would be interesting, if any of us do ask let's just put it on a quazie special occasion if you know what I mean like maybe momorial day, not on her birthday though becuase it wouldn't sound right to say "Happy birthday linda, and could you tell me if you every read your message board" Later, -Gene
cozad Unregistered User (3/1/03 12:45 pm) Reply	Re: Hi Gene, Yes I agree with you about asking Linda. Its only natural that we would be currious but maybe asking her on her birthday would be in bad taste. Well, I had a much longer message and tried to post it several times but it never worked so I'm trying this shorter measage to see if it get through (I think I"m haveing the same trouble Stefan mentioned earlier). -cozad
cozad Unregistered User (3/1/03 1:00 pm) Reply	Re: Yes, I agree Zanuck is great. Zanuck had been married once before he maried Linda but the divorce didn't go well; their was much bitterness. Zanuck and Linda realized this kind of bitterness would not be healthy for their children so they resolved to treat one another with mutual respect and freindship. Now they both seem to have gone on with their lives. I just thought it was so sad though what happened; that Linda was vulnerable and taken advantage of by that guru she got mixed up with (the Beatles and Mia Farrow had a similar experience as I recall). She had seemed to be so happy with Zanuck (I was touched by how she spoke in the interview of helping Zanuck decide on which film projects to take and so on. I was very touched by her account of her twenty-second birthday party and how Zanuck arrived on the set with this huge cake and make a romantic speach about Linda [whom he called this 'wonderful girl who had suddenly come into his life']) but she seemed to lack someting; she seemed plauged by an emptyness (which I think had to do with the fact she was so young, came from a small town, and was ill-prepared to handel all the success). I think this emptyness explanes her spiritual quest for meaning; a spiritual fulfillment which she seems to have since found and now shares with others. -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/1/03 1:53 pm) Reply	Hi, Interesting and sad this all is (I think I'm beginning to sound like Yoda) it's all terrible you know, I think that what we have discusse about so far with the (true) love stories of James Dean and Pier Angeli, Natalie Trundy an Arther P. Jacobes, and yes Linda and Richard Zanuck. I think after all that I'm getting the feel of true love. I'm really touched buy Linda, and Linda was touched buy greatness, Zanuck probably saw the greatness in her. Love is not like a light switch that you can turn on and off, (I don't mean to point out anything or say the wrong thing but) it seems that Linda is still very much in love with Zanuck. It seems that Valentines this year showed up a little late with me. Later, -Gene
cozad Unregistered User (3/1/03 5:20 pm) Reply	Re: Yes, the real life "love stories" you mentioned are romantic but-like "Escape" all true love stories are also tragedies. Look at Romeo and Juliette. Natalie and Arthur Jacobs found true love but than Arthur died at too young an age; they really had too short a time together. So the romance is ballenced by the tragedy. Than we've just talked about howthe marrage between Linda and Zanuck ended tragicaly (although like I said they seem to have gone beyond that-with Zanuck having remaried and-at least as of 1995-Linda haveing a special man in her life). And then there's the tragic love affair of James Dean and Pier Angeli (with Dean dieing so young; before he had a chance to reconsile with Pier Angeli). Romance is no merry-go-round ride; its more like an emotional roler-coster-with lots of undulating peeks and troughs and fast turns; losts of excitement. And sometimes-quite often-people get hurt (or at least loose thier lunch. ). But seriously every love story is a tradgedy also; just like where there is light there's shadow. Wow, I really should write fortune cookies! -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/1/03 5:57 pm) Reply	Love is in the air (or not) Hi, It seems you don't have a love story without a tragic ending, either it wouls seem too corny if it had a happy ending. It seems that the romance with James Dean and Pier Angeli was closest too "Romeo & Juliet," Jimmy came from a lower class and Angeli came from a higher class and her mother didn't want her to be with him and Jimmy dies and 16 years later Angeli kills herself (as Juliet did, I think). Oh yeah, I was just thinking of the films that had James Dean, kind of parts, one was "Catch Me if You Can" (and ironically has two James Dean fans: Leonardo DiCaprio & Martin Sheen), the James Dean fit character was Frank Abingal (the con artist) who was really lonely over the years. Another James Dean fit part in a film was a guy named Joey in "City by the Sea" which is probably how Franco got the part (as I mentioned before he played James Dean in a television movie) at the beginning of the film a drug dealer starts a fight with Franco and Franco kills him in self defence, and Robert DeNiro is the FBI agent assigned to find the killer and finds that it is his own son who commited the crime, however the story was twisted because the witness who caused the fight said that Franco deliberatly killed him and started the fight (rather than himself) mean while another drug dealer who was supposed to recieve 4,000 dollers from the dealer who was killed thinks that Franco has the money and wants to track him down and kill him and get the money. When DeNiro finds out his son murdered the dealer he traces back to his father who was convicted of murder himself and got the electric chair. Police finally find out where Franco is hiding and go to it, when one cop enters the room he is killed (the cop) but this time it wasn't Franco, it was the drug dealer after him to get his four grand (which Franco doesn't have), even though Franco didn't do it he is the #1 suspect and DeNiro himself believes this until he recieves a call from Franco and Franco says "I didn't shoot that cop!" And you'll just have to find the rest out for yourself. (The film is based on a true story) Later, -Gene
Gene Unregistered User (3/1/03 7:31 pm) Reply	Damn, I went off topic, Sorry about that, we were doing so good you know (being on topic and all) this is Linda's site so maybe we can talk about the last half of my last posting, it's your decision, cozad. And just to make this a little longer, I figured I would want to add all the emoticons: $:\$ Later, -Gene
cozad Unregistered User (3/2/03 7:06 am) Reply	Off topic and some Linda stuff: Yeah, Dean and Pire Angeli definetely paralleled "Romeo and Juliette"-I agree. As for those other movies you mentioned (in which Dean would have been a good choice for the role) I'll have to take your word for it since I've not seen those films (to busy obsessively re-watching my POTA films I suppose. I've even got a coppy of "Lord of the Rings" on my entertainment center that I received as a gift for Chirstmas that I have yet to watch. I guess I need to get with it! About Linda still being in Love with Zanuck, I guess you get that impression from her interviews. Well, when you've been divorced its often normal for there to be some feeling that remains; such as when Linda talks about her past with Zanuck and the joy she felt. Some time's you miss it and there will always be a connection but I'm not sure I would go so far as to conclude she's still in love with him. Maybe she is but how could one possibly know unless she just came right out and said so (which to my knowledge she has not). Besides, I don't think Zanuck's present wife would take to kindly to that! But I'm sure Linda still feels afection for him; as he's the father of her sons and they were maried for a significant amount of time. That would be only natural. You know, this is the kind of stuff I hope Linda doesn't read! Just kidding. -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/2/03 1:03 pm) Reply	WHAT HAVE I DONE?!!!!!!!!!! Well those movies I see James Dean playing him are really good ones, but there's just a little content that needs to be cleaned up. I was actually pretty stupid to have written that Linda still seems in love with Zanuck, man I better start keeping my thoughts to myself, I don't think I'll ever be saying that again (along with a line of a lot of other things). I apologize for saying all that! I really need to watch what I say. There all laughing at me: . I guess I'll "zip it" now and post another later. CYA, -Gene
cozad Unregistered User (3/2/03 2:10 pm) Reply	Don't worry about it! I've said worse!-LOL Don't worry about it Gene. Bull sessions are a lot like playing Russian Rulette. That is if you play the game long enough you eventualy fire off something that you wish you could take back. Serriously,I've commited my share of public gaffs on this very forum so take it from me you have nothing to be so contrite or embarrased about. You were just talking like a fan about your star. I see no need to apologise. But it is a good idea to try and remember that when you post on this forum you don't know who may be reading it; although it seems like you, Stefan and I are all alone here that might not be the case. I know I sometimes forget that myself and, like I said, theres probably more than just a few things I'd take back if I could. But the importand thing here is to remember we're just here to have fun. No ones beyond us is going to care too much what we say here anyway. Besides, they only have your first name -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/2/03 2:27 pm) Reply	whew! I'm not alone! Hi, I guess your right cozad, I guess I've said too much before though, we might want to change the subject about Linda and Zanucks marrage before I fire off something else I wish I could take back, lol. Well cozad I just remembered, a while back Iasked you what you would think if James Dean was able to play the Sundance Kid in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," Robert Redford was terrific in it but what if James Dean was able to play (I think I'm really going off topic now), he could have been right for it, another movie Jimmy was supposed to have been in was "The Billy the Kid Story". And just to keep this on topic for my reputation is "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" was distributed by "Twentieth Century Fox," which at that time was ran by Richard Zanuck. Later, -Gene PS, I'm a little young for it right now, but I'm going job hunting, wish me luck! : )
Gene Unregistered User (3/2/03 3:37 pm) Reply	that petition I made Hi, Just wanted to tell you (both) that I just made that thread for people to sign the petion, not for talking on. I think I'll go and put this thred on planetoftheapesonline as well, later, -Gene
cozad Unregistered User (3/2/03 4:59 pm) Reply	James Dean and getting back on topic: Hi Gene, I understand about the thread. Good idea. Thier's already such a thread on planetoftheapesonline for the petition. Check it out. That was where I found the petition and signed it. Yeah James Dean would have been great in "Butch and Sundance." I checked out one of those James Franciscus sites. Aparently Franciscus majored in English in school and was an Ivy leager if I remember correctly. This accounts for his love of writeing. And remember when I told you that if you want to write the best thing you can do is read? Well, according to that website Franciscus read about seventy books a year! In that last interview with Linda that you posted she mentions that Franciscus took the role of Brent "seriously." I heard her say that in the "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary and I just assumed she was talking about how he was so disturbed about being perseaved as a wimp that he rewrote his character. But in that interview you posted she says what she meant; says that he took the role really "seriously" in the sense that he was a "method" actor (and presumabley got inside the characters head; in effect tried to become the character). Maybe that explanes why Linda couldn't get to know Jimmy. From what I've read Jimmy had a great sense of humor and was extreamely witty and interesting. But on the set, if Jimmy was really a 'method actor' he would be so absorbed by the characters personality; so in character all the time, that it would understandably be difficult to get to know the real Jimmy. Linda has said in other interviewst that he was known for that; for being hard to get to know. I think this was probably because the real Jimmy's personality was absorbed by the character he happend to be playing. This accounts for why people found him so affable off the set and yet so difficult to know on the set. Oh, well, its just a theory. It still doesn't explane why he had trouble showing emotions on screen; why he felt it was a weakness to show feeling and thus is why director Ted Post had to work real hard on him to get him to show the strong emotions he showed in "Beneath" and in other films he worked on with Post. -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/2/03 5:43 pm) Reply	Heylow! There is already a petition asking for SE of POTA, are you sure your not talking about the sequel petition? Well it seems Linda respected Franciscus as an actor, but thought he was hard to make friends with, perhaps she would have felt different if she had known him off set. James Franciscus is kind of like James Dean in that perspective, Dean was pretty seriouse on set but also had a unique sense of humer qas well as Franciscus, it really does suck that Franciscus wasn't in a lot of good movies. The difference between Dean and Franciscus was that Dean could express himself (according to the bio film of him he [Dean] wanted to be an actor because it was the only way he could express himself). It's hard to say what else Franciscus could have been in (other than seeing him play James Bond or Indiana Jones). Perhaps Franciscus was better fit for Broadway. Later, -Gene
cozad Unregistered User (3/2/03 6:17 pm) Reply	James and Jimmy: Oh, sorry, yes I was confused about what petition you meant. Have they already come out with these DVD's. What are you petitoining for exactly; you want them to re-do what they have already turned out? I"m not sure I understand (sorry I'm so dense today ). Well, Franciscus was more of a telivision actor I suppose. He had a very short lived series playing some kind of an investigator. The gimmick was that he was a blind investigator. Well you know Jimmy-the Method actor-had to walk around for several weeks with a blind fold on in order to get into character; in order to identify with and understand what it was like to be blind. Franciscus also contributed a great deal to writing the show's scripts. But the show only lasted for about a dozen or so episodes before it was cancilled; it got great reviews but never found an audiance (doesn't the ratings system suck!). Dean was a method actor like Franciscus but where as Dean seemed to aproach the character from an emotional standpoint Franciscus's aproach was more intellectual (I'm only guessing of course). -cozad
Gene Unregistered User (3/2/03 8:18 pm) Reply	Hey, Well cozad there is POTA (the origonal) on DVD but I made that petition for it to have more bonus materials on it like deleted scenes and alternate scripts and behind the scenes as well. I agree with you about how James and Jimmy approached their methode of acting differently, they do have a few things in commone though. You know what I was just thinking, do you think James Franciscus could have played Han Solo in Star Wars (Harrison Ford was been terrific but I think James Franciscus could have also played the part.) He could have played the role in at least Episode IV, don't you think? Because he was always arguing with Princess Leia in that one. You think Franciscus would do love stories as long as he still portraid a tough guy. My favorite line said throughout the whole "ape" saga is "What the hell would I ever say to a gorilla?" lol. Later, -Gene
Speed Demon Registered User Posts: 154 (3/3/03 7:05 am) Reply	To Gene + cozad Hi again, I'm back from my trip... - how are you doing...? Yeah - that was funny - we reached the limit of messages within a thread - wow! I'm also glad you called the new one "Nova II"... that was perfect, Gene... . And yeah, my last "damn you all to hell" posting was a strange coincidence! Yes, please consider to ask Linda about the message board next time you write her, cozad... ... I'd also like to write her again (not because of this), but I agree it would be best to only write her on special occasions to not annoy her or something... I found the interview very interesting, too. The only thing I honestly didn't understand was about the part that let to her divorce: What's a guru? cozad, I'm curious: As you mentioned you were so busy rewatching the POTA movies: How often do you approx. watch an "ape" movie (I mean POTA 1-5)? 1-2 times a week or so? My favorite line said throughout the whole "ape" saga is >"What the hell would I ever say to a gorilla?" Yeah Gene, I also liked this line of Brent (BTW, was it "gorilla", not "ape"?), but I found it somehow strange how unfriendly he was to Zira and Cornelius from whom he expected and received help. I think at one point Cornelius reacts on his unfriendlyness. I don't remember the line exactly, but it was something like that: "If you talk, they will ...sect (?) you and kill you. In that order". It was obvious he said this in a cold way as if he wanted to frighten Brent! Gene, I noticed your petition already and signed it ('though I'm honestly afraid studios don't care at all about these online petitions... $:\$ ). BTW, there's a spelling error in it (""Behind the Planwet of the Apes"), maybe you could edit it if possible to make it look more professional! But I agree with you, I'd also love to see much more bonus features. Regarding this, I need to ask you cozad, our VHS veteran : I remember, a few years ago when DVD wasn't so established yet (I think 1996-97 or so), POTA 1-5 was re-released as a box set again, and I remember the package description said it had bonus features and deleted scenes. I didn't buy it, but once had an old POTA 1 tape boroughed from the library which only featured a small part of the "Behind" documentary after the movie. Now I wonder if there was maybe a VHS release which had bonus features (like more deleted scenes) that weren't included in the DVD release. Do you know?
Speed Demon Registered User Posts: 155 (3/3/03 7:28 am) Reply	Sorry... ... that was a quote from you, Gene, of course: >My favorite line said throughout the whole "ape" saga is >"What the hell would I ever say to a gorilla?" Later... Bye you 2... Stefan