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Aryndil Ciryatan
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Quotes on Magic - Tolken and non-Tolkien
A few quotes by others:


Quote:
"One of the most prominent facts is that, regardless of its power, no creature can fly without wings. There are infinite examples to justify that -- starting with the fact that Gandalf needed Gwaihir's help to escape from the Orthanc tower, or descend from the mountain after the fight with the Balrog, and, finally, the fact that even the Valar, the most powerful beings on Arda, had used an island as a giant ship to transport them from Middle-earth to Aman." - Written by Berislav Lopac, translated into English by Goran Brkic



Quote:
"So what, then, may we say in conclusion? That Tolkien used the word "magic" to describe actions which were not natural to Mortal Men, but which were nonetheless natural or within the scope of the natural abilities of the Ainur and Elves. The Magic of Middle-earth was an expression of the will of the magic-makers, or of their artistic desires. It was a two-edged sword, and each invocation could be used for good or ill. The difference between "good" and "evil" magic, therefore, was most often motive. Only the communication with the dead was forbidden, and yet we have seen that even this convention was turned about for the greater good. Elves and Dwarves alike possessed special talents but the Elves displayed the greater ambition or aptitude. Perhaps in their dark caverns the Dwarves produced mighty artifacts which never saw the light of day, but if so their achievements cannot thus be appreciated, and they seem to have the lesser gift." - Michael Martinez





A few quotes by Tolkien about 'magic':


Quote:
"I am afraid I have been far too casual about 'magic' and especially the use of the word; though Galadriel and others show by the criticism of the 'mortal' use of the word, that the thought about it is not altogether casual. But it is a v. large question, and difficult: and a story which, as you so rightly say, is largely about motives (choice, temptations, etc.) and the intentions for using whatever is found in the world, could hardly be burdened with a pseudo-philosophic disquisition! I do not intend to involve myself in any debate whether 'magic' in any sense is real of really possible in the world. But I suppose that, for the purposes of the tale, some would say that there is a latent distinction such as once was called the distinction between magia and goeteia. Galadriel speaks of the 'deceits of the Enemy'. Well enough, but magia chould be, was, held good (per se), and goeteia bad. Neither is, in this tale, good or bad (per se), but only by motive or purpose or use. Both sides use both, but with different motives. The supremely bad motive is (for this tale, since it is specially about it) domination of other 'free' wills. The Enemy's operations are by no means all goetic deceits, but 'magic' that produces real effects in the physical world. But his magia he uses to bulldoze both people and things, and his goeteia to terrify and subjugate. Their magia the Elves and Gandalf use (sparingly): a magia, producing real results (like fire in a wet faggot) for specific beneficent purposes. Their goetic effects are entirely artistic and not intended to deceive: they never deceive Elves (but may deceive or bewilder unaware Men) since the difference is to them as clear as the difference to us between fiction, painting, and sculpture, and 'life'. - J.R.R. Tolkien



Quote:
"Setting down his lillies carefully on the grass, he ran to the tree. There he saw Merry's feet sticking out -- the rest had already been drawn further inside. Tom put his mouth to the crack and began singing into it in a low voice. They could not catch the words but evidently Merry was aroused. His legs began to kick. Tom sprang away, and breaking off a hanging branch smote the side of the willow with it. 'You let them out again, Old Man Willow!' he said. 'What be you a-thinking of? You should not be waking. Eat earth! Dig deep! Drink water! Go to sleep! Bombadil is talking!' He then seized Merry's feet and drew him out of the suddenly widening crack." - J.R.R. Tolkien



Quote:
"Get out, you old Wight! Vanish in the sunlight!
Shrivel like the cold mist, like the winds go wailing,
Out into the barren lands far beyond the mountains!
Come never here again! Leave your barrow empty!
Lost and forgotten be, darker than the darkness,
Where gates stand for ever shut, till the world is mended." - J.R.R. Tolkien


Quote:
"The chief power (of all the rings alike) was the prevention or slowing of decay (i.e., 'change' viewed as a regrettable thing), the preservation of what is desired or loved, or its semblance -- this is more or less an Elvish motive. But also they enhanced the natural powers of a possessor -- thus approaching 'magic', a motive more easily corruptible into evil, a lust for domination. And finally they had other powers, more directly derived from Sauron ('the Necromancer': so he is called as he casts a fleeting shadow and presage on the pages of THE HOBBIT): such as rendering invisible the material body, and making things of the invisible world visible." - J.R.R Tolkien


Quote:
"$12 Moreover, those were the days of the Three Rings. Now, as is elsewhere told, these rings were hidden, and the Eldar did not use them for the making of any new thing while Sauron still wore the Ruling Ring; yet their chief virtue was ever secretly at work, and that virture was to defend the Eldar who abode in Middle-earth [added: and all things pertaining to them] from change and withering and weariness. So it was that in all the long time from the forging of the Rings to their ending, when the Third Age was over, the Eldar even upon Middle-earth changed no more in a thousand years than do Men in ten; and their language likewise." - J.R.R. Tolkien


Quote:
'O demon dark, O phantom vile
of foulness wrought, of lies and guile,
here shalt thou die, thy spirit roam
quaking back to thy master's home
his scorn and fury to endure;
thee he will in the bowels immure
of groaning earth, and in a hole
everlastingly thy naked soul
shall wail and quiver -- this shall be,
unless the keys thou render me
of thy black fotress, and the spell
that bindeth stone to stone thou tell,
and speak the words of opening.'


With gasping breath and shuddering
he spake, and yielded as he must,
and vanquished betrayed his master's trust.


Lo! By the bridge a gleam of light,
like stars descended from the night
to burn and tremble here below.
There wide her arms did Luthien throw,
and called aloud with voice as clear
as still at whiles may mortal hear
long elvish trumpets o'er the hill
echo, when all the world is still.


The dawn peered over mountains wan,
their grey heads silent looked thereon.
The hill trembled; the citadel
crumbled, and all its towers fell;
the rocks yaned and the bridge broke,
and Sirion spumed in sudden smoke.' - J.R.R. Tolkien a´bout Lúthien overthrowing Sauron


Quote:
"A king he was on carven throne
In many-pillared halls of stone
With golden roof and silver floor,
And runes of power upon the door.
The light of sun and star and moon
In shining lamps of crystal hewn
Undimmed by cloud or shade of night
There shone for ever fair and bright."J.R.R. Tolkien - The song cited by Gimli in the Mines of Moria


Quote:
"For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gleaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.


On silver necklaces they strung
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, in twisted wire
They meshed the light of moon and sun." - J.R.R. Tolkien - The dwarf-song from The Hobbit


Here's a good one about the Black Arts and Necromancy:

Quote:
"It is therefore a foolish and perilous thing, besides being a wrong deed forbidden justly by the appointed Rulers of Arda, if the Living seek to commune with the Unbodied, though the houseless may desire it, especially the most unworthy among them. For the Unbodied, wandering in the world, are those who at the least refused the door of life and remain in regret and self-pity. Some are filled with bitterness, grievance, and envy. Some were enslaved by the Dark Lord and do his work still, though he himself is gone. They will not speak truthh or wisdom. To call on them is folly. TO attempt to master them and to make them servants of one's own will is wickedness. Such practices are of Morgoth; and the necromancers are of he host of Sauron his servant." - J.R.R. Tolkien - 'Morgoth's Ring'

Edited by: Aryndil Ciryatan at: 16/4/04 19:23
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