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beefyboyz 
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(4/13/02 8:16 pm)
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STARTING WORKING OUT
HERE IS ONE FOR YOU RANDY.

Dear Jim & Bob,
I'm 5' 8" tall and weigh 146 lbs, 31 years old. I was wondering if you could tell me how is the best way to start a work out program and what to do. I have a slim/swimmers build and I want to bulk up a little, just to get some muscle, but not go crazy.
My body does have the makeup to have a build like yours( as lovely as it is and as much as I would want it). I'am currently a 30-31 waist but would like to be maybe a 34 and put on about 20 more pounds (of muscle that is).
I just cannot find a routine that I can stay on that does not bore me before seeing results. I have no trouble with a diet, I'am a very good eater and a non-smoker. If you get a chance to respond please do so to (mailto:Grtboy4rightdad@aol.com).
Thanks alot for your input. By the way, your website is great, alot of great, hot links to the types of guys I love.

Joe

buffbear
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(4/15/02 12:34 pm)
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STARTING WORKING OUT
I wish I was in your shoes - being naturally lean and wanting to add mass. You describe yourself as an ectomorph and there is a clear path forward for your body type. The first thing you must realize is that which exercises you do are secondary to your gains. First and formost is diet; expecially in the area of protein intake. For an ectomorph, a good rule of thumb is 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Since you weigh 146, shoot for 250 gms of protein per day (middle of the 220-290 range) with copious amounts of good carbs (400-600 gms per day). I wouldn't worry too much about fat content at this point since you are naturally lean, but don't overdo the saturated stuff. Use protein supplements (whey/casein) generously, to get the protein levels up. Trust me, its hard to eat that much protein naturally without supplements.

As far as workout routine/exercises that is really up to you where you want to build (just don't neglect legs like so many guys do). The only thing is, after a adequate warmup, go HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY - to the point of pain (no pain no gain). Use a spotter with free weights. You won't believe just how heavy you CAN go until you break through your mental block. Go heavy enough that you fail in the 6-10 rep range. 2-3 sets for each bodypart is all you need (the first being a warmup, the second or third the heavy sets. Don't work a muscle group more than twice a week with several days in between for recouperation, muscle growth. There has been renewed interest lately in several individuals like Casey Viator, and Mike Mentzer, both of which were champions) who only worked out ONE set per bodypart twice per week, with extremely heavy weights. For building mass, basic exercises are called for like bench presses, squats, barbell curls, leg extensions, etc. (All the talk about 3 exercises of 3x10 per bodypart, is great if you are shaping and chisling what you already have.) Thinking back on my progress over the past years I am re-incorporating this BACK into my routine. If you tire of the routine - change it by adding/deleting exercises. (tired of doing squats? - do leg presses.) Just keep the poundage way up. And, when time to add weight, don't add a just a couple of pounds - be generous. Be SURE to have a hi carb protein shake immediately after (within 30 minutes) of each workout. your local gym probably has them for sale.

For best results, use a good creatine supplement, and add a good prohormone suppliment like 19-nor-DIOL (not dione), or 1-AD since they have little to no adverse estrogenic effects. If you can afford it, I highly recommend (and I usually don't recommend Brand names) MAG-10 from Biotest. Its primary active ingredient is 1-test (1-AD). I used it recently for a 6 week cycle (2-weeks on, 2-weeks off, 2 weeks on) while eating cleanly, and put on 15 pounds of weight, while losing one pant size. This means I probably put on close to 20 pounds of mass while losing maybe 5 pounds of bodyfat. I also worked bodyparts only twice a week (but because of tendon problems couldn't go as heavy as I would have liked on some movements). I did this at age 50 - you should be able to exceed my results. The only drawback to this stuff is price. Biotest charges $99 per bottle (which is good for 11 days, when used twice per day), but usually offers it on a buy 2 get one free basis - which should get you through the cycle I did. There are a few 1-AD supplements on the market now which costs less, but I can't vouch for their effectiveness as compared to MAG-10.

wntmr
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(9/8/02 12:09 am)
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Re: is buliking necessary?
Hi Randy,

I would like your opinion regarding “bulking up” to gain muscle mass. I am 44 years old and consider myself (predominantly) an ectomoph. Currently, I am a bulked up 5’9” and 175 pounds, the most I have ever weighed. My objective is to gain muscle mass in the places people normally desire mass, eg. chest, legs, arms. I have made good progress in the last 3 months with intense workouts and eating more than I am used to. My trainer is not formally educated. He is 27, a true mesomorph at 5’10” and about 265 muscular pounds, without steroids (lucky kid). What works for him does not seem likely to work for me.

My trainer keeps encouraging me to eat more and not worry about the fat accumulating around my formally
trim waist. I understand the idea that to build muscle, one needs to take in at least as many nutrients as are spent. Given that achieving a perfect balance is nearly impossible I can see the logic making a habit of consuming more than is spent , thus adding a few pounds. If I gain more than about 15 pounds it seems like the excess just accumulates around my middle in the form of a “pot belly”. Meanwhile, this trainer can consume a roast chickens for lunch and just looks bigger all over. He keeps telling me “eat more”, “you have to gain more to get muscle” ... Do I have to put on more fat to get more muscular?

Thanks,

David (aka wntmr)

onebuffbear
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(9/8/02 8:02 am)
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Re: is bulking necessary
Hi david,

To answer your question, do you need to put on excess fat (potbelly) while building muscle mass - the answer is no... but it is more difficult. The pros during their offseason bulkup with little attention to fat accumulation because the contest diet that they will undergo gets rid of it. For those of us that don't compete, well the fat is a problem. A little bit is probably OK, but 15 pounds or so defeats what we are trying to achieve. Keep your protein up like your trainer suggests, watch saturated fats, and keep your carb levels in check.. If you are an ectomrph, the, you can eat more carbs than the rest of us, but don't go hog wild on them. Get most of your carbs from vegetables or other sources that are low on the glycemic chart. That means ice cream and breads are off the list! That should keep the fat in check for you. I would expect that if you kept your carbs in the 150gm per day range, while continuing to workout, that 15 extra pounds will be gone in 6-8 weeks. Now, as far as putting on mass - you said that "what is working for your trainer is not working for you". Well, to be blunt... he is 27..... and you're not. At 44, your body is not producing the growth hormones, testosterone, etc like it was when you were 27. (I know - I'm 51 now). Supplement your diet with a good test booster (androDIOL at 400-500 mg/day), 1-AD, or even tribex 500) also, take a good Growth Hormone precursor. (Unless you are independently wealthy, true GH is out of reach). This should give you the building blocks necessary to put on a little mass. If you are serious about putting on a little more mass quickly, add a good nor-androDIOL to your diet.

That should do it.

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