Just a thought, the training missions have made me realise that at the moment the teams seem rather unbalanced. Me and a couple of other players I live with have spent ages going through and trying to make the attacking and defensive powers of the teams more even. I'd welcome ur comments, and I think we should discuss this between ourselves.
If you've got anything or anyone to add please feel free. Sorry for bad spelling of peoples names I thought having an Xmen team full of the older members would be good for missions that require skill and talents lacking in younger people especially since the Brotherhood are becomming more active. Either that or a student team could be sent out with Green Rescue Force, thus each of the Xmen would have a student they could look out for.
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Matt I'm sure your points are valid but this disscussion is meant for me, Loza, Judo and Angie only so when we've discussed thing among ourselves we will inform you and the rest of the board if anything comes of it.
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I hadn't seen this list, but have voted my opinions.
For Jenn's point of things - I'm sure she only intended those officially accepted as Admins to read this. Since Judo isn't around we of course can't have his input at all.
As for the teams, I have already stated my opinions and they are somewhat similiar to Matts on this, as for giving more of my characters teams, this isn't so not wise, as I am having trouble handling the ones I have now. And Jean in general is not a character I'm having much luck with. That is however, just my input, let's see what Loza thinks.
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When I say more of my characters, I actually mean ones that I haven't got as good a handle on, sorry for my poor choice of words. As I have mentioned to Jenn...I do not at all like the fact Green Strike force has been disassembled and considering Exiles was a specially designed group of misfits trying to be worked together into a team (even if it fails it was an entertaining attempt nonetheless) and that has been removed all together.
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I'm taking this list home, editing it around. I do agree some teams are not perfect, Blue strike force in particular, but that doesn't justify an entire altercation. I think we reorganise what problems we have with the problematic teams and leave the rest alone, it can be used logically after the training missions for this altercation. I do not want an entire overhaul, we are only just starting to settle in and that in itself has been trying for everyone on teams attempting to find their place there.
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Alrighty, I've looked over the teams and read comments... well not Matt's, so I can’t agree/disagree with what he said. Anyway, my turn to speak up!
I have noticed that not all teams are equal with defence and attack and I know how that works/doesn’t work, but I guess you don’t wanna hear a Footy story I can relate that too! ^^"
As it is at the moment, I don't mind the teams as they are however, I’ve only really had an insight into the teams my characters are in so that leaves a couple out of the equation in my view, the Silver and Green Strike Forces.
I can see that some teams need slight alterations, like the Blue Strike Force, but I don't really see the need for a mass change in all the teams. Though Jenn, I do love how this list shows the possibilities of other teams.
Perhaps in a future storyline characters from one or more of the suggested groups could be thrown into a situation together and have to work with one another, kind of like the trip to the past storyline where it's gonna be a mixture of characters, as in not from just one sole group. Because I don't believe that with every single plotline it should just be the teams working together. I think it would be fun to have characters interact with others every now and then so they're not just stuck to their teams. Don't get me wrong, I love the whole teams thing but if there was a change every so often it could just make things a little different.
In the end, I like what Angie said in that we address the teams that have problems and fix them. Hopefully that will suit everyone!
Although, it just came to me, what about characters that are going to be affiliated with the X-Men in the future? I know not every character is designed to be on a team but what about some that could be useful on a team? I mean, (a little off topic here but stay with me) I have a character on the way though I'm not exactly sure where I want to affiliate her just yet, but there will be more characters made that will be on the X-Men! *Grumbles about them already out-numbering the Brotherhood enough as it is* Back to the point, which is just my little opinion, maybe on a team or two there should be an empty place for characters of the future, and if anyone feels that that may disadvantage a team there could be top-up characters to fill the spot. I wouldn’t mind using a character or two to be a top-up, I could always use Lauren since she isn’t the most attacking character. Team members could always go up to her and pat her on the belly for good luck before they go out on a mission, like a little Buddha! And I also have Mark Randallson, made him like a year ago and have only used him once!
Or maybe with the characters that aren’t good for going out and fighting or just don't want to there could be a special team that stays at the Institute and they strategise things, plan who goes out on what mission or uh... stuff... Sorry, that also just came to my mind then and thought that I may as well mention it if anything.
Well, I think that's more than enough blabbering from me, so I'll leave you with that. Fiddle with my ideas or throw them in the bin, I don't mind, just surprised that my mind is actually still coming up with things when I'm on holidays!
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*Has two minutes left, looks at all Loza's comments* I'm sure I agree with it all! >>
Anyway, regarding any future team changes, this is my idea, I added some people you missed, but might have forgotten others... anyway.. I did it yesterday and I'll read Loza's post when I get home!
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Loza actually named her team Bronze, I think it isn’t overly polite to take the name away from Betsy, especially since Loza only just made it and she put a lot of what little brains she has to spare on things other then footy to come up with that name. I appreciate that Storm is the leader of a team, but she has – in the comics – always been Gold Strike Force leader, and she was the leader of the X-men time and time again when Scott Summers was out of commission and second in charge for her entire duration there as far as I remember. So I don’t see why she has been removed from her team really…
In addition, I think some people are overlooking the fact that not every mission has to rely on brute strength, and again my opinion on the matter is that we don’t need such perfectly even teams for every single team. However, that is just my opinion.
Also I understand Jenn doesn’t like student teams, but if you read the bios the students (except for Garnet, who isn’t even on a proper team, she is leading one of the ‘special’ teams…) that ran teams where assistant teachers or teachers. Why does that make them any less valuable as X-men just because they aren’t marvel based? Riley and Lexi are both assistant teachers, both have been at the school for a while, I don’t see why new teachers can’t be put in charge for teams like the older teachers have been. Remember the X-men were in their 20’s and such when they took on their teams… And Riley will be losing his implants but he will be gaining the advantage of something else I have planned, and he is still stronger then a common man… he just cant go up against super powered demons any more …*Pats him* However realistically I don’t think with all his health issue Beast will allow the strain of leadership to remain on Riley’s shoulders at this time… so it could be a logical chance to have X-Force temporarily removed from Riley’s command.
Another note is that you have way too many characters on each team, the reason we have it limited to six players is because quite often not everyone posts and at the moment I seem to have two or three characters on each team… So for now there is one extra member on most teams, something I’m not overly fond about but perhaps we can organize something later… I’m still not at all pleased with the fact people want to remove Exiles and so perhaps we can reorganize Exiles instead of just getting rid of it…
Some teams were designed for reasons other then a full scale attack, plus some people have expressed wishes to have certain characters joined together – personally Exiles may be a mess but I think if we actually give it a shot we can get the characters working at least tolerably together, but everyone seems content in just giving up so easily on it. They are supposed to be a difficult team, they were never going to get along right off the bat, and everyone was perfectly aware of that when they asked for their character to be part of it… it’s not entirely fair for those who didn’t get to be on the team or are happy with it to have others back off with complaints they aren’t fitting in.
But however taking your views on the matter I won’t insist on people going out of character, Paige isn’t a good fighter, I can understand her backing out and Racheal has her believable reasons to leave as well, they are the only ones logically to leave, but if they leave it puts a big rift for Casey who’ll be alone with bullies which could have him leave as well. I think it’s a good chance for the bookworms to be getting some backbone, Racheal – well… she can work on controlling her temper XD and Max and Jess can work on their problems and Gypsy … well… she will hopefully not be sending anyone to hell before they all settle down into a comfy team. Just because they are a team doesn’t mean they are expected to go out and battle evil, this team is just to get them working together, even if all they do is battle tactics and Danger Room sessions until they can move on to another real teams. I understand where you’re all coming from but the team was created for this reason and you all signed up for it so it’s a little odd to have people complaining about the team’s layout and lack of ability to fight…But as you can see, I’m basically repeating myself. So, continuing on…
Alright, I know there will be complaints, and I am going to say this; Changing teams now is just such a draw back and puts a strain on characters as well. But I do understand some of the teams were lacking, but I don’t really see why you’ve removed Madison from Storms team and put Connor, I mean, sure, he’s better then her ( ) but they are highly similar save for personality, and Storm has their respect since she is a woman and all powerful. But also you’ve moved the two powerful mutants from Storm to Gambit, who has been classified as an extremely dangerous mutant in the marvel world, Storm as the drama, but he has the explosive force as far as marvel is concerned… So I just don’t really see why you’ve given an already extremely powerful mutant two additionally powerful ones – well wait no… Gypsy and Cat is there so I do sort of get it but still…
Alright, still, I have no doubt that Matt will grumble for this, but I shifted some things about, this way we aren’t dramatically changing things so much (well…we are… but…), I still want to keep the teams relatively the same unless they are a problem area, otherwise it’s a little troublesome in my opinion and not fully needed. But it’s hard since you’ve requested two new leaders of my to take place, both are capable but I was just not getting a good handle on Wolverine or Gambit since no one ever really needs them around – until Mandra recently with Gambit. And so clerify things, Logan is upset because Scott Summers is dying, and his daughter ran away – his son hates him and Madison is… herself. There wasn’t anything big and dramatic I was just stating that as a reason why perhaps he could avoid being given teams, but if this is what a group of you would prefer I could take him up instead of Riley’s team…
I also didn’t want Lady and myself all taking up most of the teams, so I did try and split our characters out as well, it’s no fun for people when they know the entire team consists of Lady, myself and one other…
I also don’t have bios to read over, and I’m taking a lot of what other people have asked specifically, so it’s nice to keep those requests since in most cases they can effortless meld into the same team, even if those in question don’t actual like each other.
As you can see I still want my young teachers with teams – they may not be experienced X-men but it isn’t even logical for the X-men not to start training a newer generation of team leaders, so having them makes perfect sense, and on a side note to someone Jenn had said over MSN, considering Riley has more combat experience then Sean I don’t think it makes a whole lot of sense for Sean to lead a team instead of Riley… Though I did like the green rescue team you all set up but student teams give things a little bit of spice, they aren’t as perfect as the other X-men but they are all trying and I’ve tried to match up personalities as well as divide powers and strength.
Right, these are my suggestions, and I think we ought to leave any modifications until after the criminal offences storyline, I think the X-men could decided that some people could be more useful on other teams, but that means we’ll have to do something similar to these training missions, even if it’s just around the schools, we’d have to have posts to have people interacting with each other and getting familiarized with their altered teams. It’s just a bother since some people are shifted onto teams with people they don’t know but the rest of the team knows each other.
Anyway, you see what you think, and once you have your comments and such, we can post a proposal for everyone to look over. I want to look over the new bios more thoroughly and add whoever is around the school waiting to be thrown onto a team, however at the moment I can’t so here is my offer and you see how you can improve it. I prefer not to change Green, Gold if possible, though the players in charge of the characters can make their opinions for now I’d prefer we leave it at that. And definitely Green is preferred to remain untouched. It’s a new team, it really didn’t need any revamp since the characters and powers were a nice combination, I’ll leave Paige there since she’ll fit in better with the group and Riley since he has no where else to go. *Wonders if they perposefully put him on a team with one guy that hates him, another who is uncomfortable with him, and everyone else he basically doesn’t know* Good thing Scott’s there, maybe Scott can show everyone Riley’s a nice guy… once you peel away the layers.
*Betsy Braddock
*Mandra
*Nightcrawler
*Wolverine
*Gambit
*Rogue
-Johnny Smith (If situation calls for his help)
*Beast (If available)
Green Rescue Force:
Leader – Lexi Moore
*Scott Freeman
*Paige Gifford
*Tessa McNeil
*Michael Grant
*Ben Reece
*May Parker
*Riley Finn
Exiles:
Leader - Garnet
Even though everyone signed up for this there seems to be complaints regarding the team.
Exiles is NOT a main team, Garnet is trying to help mould the students into something manageable enough to be part of the main teams, I thought we made that perfectly clear when we asked for people to sign up for a place. I like Exiles, Matt likes Exiles, I assumed anyone who wanted to take part in the group liked the idea for Exiles. It’s a little bit of a draw back when people start wanting to disassemble a team because the team is behaving in a way everyone was perfectly aware they’d behave.
Wolverine is said to be the few X-men Max tries to control his temper around, but Max actually tries around Garnet (even if it is just so he can impress her) so for Max the team is perfect. Jess and him are such a sweet couple, that it is heartbreaking anyone can consider removing their gracious attitudes from Garnet’s presence! However, if two members want to leave, then I’m not going to insist they stay. But then Casey isn’t likely to want to stay there on his own and what sort of team is Max, Jess and Gypsy?
If it does break apart I suggest we wait for a bit – perhaps the team slowly disperses after the team missions, realizing how dangerous it was to be part of the group in addition to not actually wanting to be in the group, it would be logical that way… a pity, but a logical end to it.
Exiles itself however I don’t want to go, it’s so unfair that we put so much effort into the team and now people are backing out grumbling when the team has only just got together. So, if you all think that you don’t want to be part of the team, alright then, Matt and I will work on revamping the team to replace those who leave. But in that case I would like to make it a proper team, one that Garnet can actually use even if there are still two or three problem members. Perhaps the teachers decide that the group was too wide apart on the social ladder and they weren’t getting the results they wanted.
My suggestions if your minds are all set on leaving for a new team would be;
Jess, Max, (Maybe Casey and Gypsy depending on what Chels and Loza want) and then maybe others with more useful abilities that are also not overly powerful, that way they will need to learn to co operate with each other since no one person can over power the enemies on their own. This is up to Matt regarding the whole Exiles thing. But I figured I’d mention here that I’m not pleased with this idea of removing student teams all together, the whole point of them was for the younger team leaders to handle the not so brutal missions and gain experience to one day replace the older members. Otherwise what’s going to happen when the wrinkling X-men start to go senile and can’t handle their duties any more? They need new blood!
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Rolls up sleeves ... so much to say and so many assignments waiting to be finnished.
First off neither me, Evelyn nor Karen had the fainest idea that specific people had named certain teams, we don't delve that much into the Xmen's histories so we just gave them all names and randomly assigned X-men to them. None of us really mind/care/object if Storm has to have Gold strike force, it doesn't make much difference at the end of the day.
I like student teams ... just not other practically students running them, Cat and Lisa really don't have the degree of respect they'd have if they were under an elder Xmen. Cat especially I feel needs a leader who won't stand for her behaviour.
Concerning Exiles, Paiges parents aren't letting her on a team that isn't run by someone they trust 100% and I don't know if they know Lexi. Paige wanted to leave before that however, she wanted to leave after the first meeting she had with her team. She gets bullied by the others and no one lifts a finger to stop it. Racheal's really unhappy where she is, no ones being friendly to her and Rebecca's been desperatley trying to think of a way to get her to stay at the institute or we might loose her all together. Then theres Max who will be in Jail. It's not that we want to dissolve Exiles, this hasn't been planned which in a way is nice. You guys tried but Exiles isn't working the people just don't work together. It's something thats happening naturally not everything on this board needs to be planned in advance. You can't make chacters get on if they're just too different.
Reads further and points out again that she doesn't read Marvel comics so she doesn't know Gamits unstable. I feel the need to be frank here ... Angie what are you doing to the elder Xmen? All Matts characters and alive and well and heading teams and you've just informed me that Cyclopse, Jean, Logan, Gambit and Professor Xavier and are quivering wrecks!!!! How can they possibly all go off the rails together? Cylopse manages alright after Jean dies in the film and so does Logan, they get on with their lives. I'm more than happy to take on one of the elder Xmen if you're finding it too much? It's just you're leaving the school practically defencless!!
Shuffles about ... I get a feeling quite a lot of pople don't have fond feelings towards Riley. It might do him good to get away from Sean and from Cat and into a team where no one really knows him where he can try and patch things up with Ben.
Theres no real reason Exiles needs to be completley dissolved but I would suggest putting characters that are confident, more experienced and able to hold their own on a team like that. Then the elder Xmen can then take on younger, less able members
Hows about just moving around a few characters? so things get a little more evenly balanced, Green Rescue force seems perfect so why not do that, ask people if they want to move and swap them around a little if they want? That way some people could be placed onto Exiles?
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Firstly, *looks about* I didn’t know you knew how hard it was for me to come up with Bronze Strike Force, especially after you said I couldn’t name it Blue and White Strike Force! *Ignores how she was lazy and saw Gold and Silver and just chose Bronze because it kind goes like the Olympic medals*
I like Exiles and I didn’t really know people were having problems with the team. I knew the members were, but I thought that was all the fun of the team! I don’t mind having Gypsy still on Exiles, I was actually going to have her slooowly come around to liking the team thing, liking her team mates to an extent but hating everyone else still!
Now... *looks over teams again and tries to remember what she was gonna say* I’m alright with the changes, though like I said I don't mind them the way they are but hey, either way I'm happy! Just glad that Frost and Madi are still on the same team. *Feels kind of sorry for Heath being stuck with the four girls on that team* Thoooough, I’m not sure how Gypsy would work upon the team *feels a bit like a pain* then again, if I have her grow a bit she could become more accepting towards others.
Oh yeah, Angie, Chris told me to tell you that he’ll be back in January *remembers upon seeing Shalimar’s name*
I do like how, if we do the changes, we do it after the Criminal Offences storyline. *Thinks about teams having to get to know each other* We’re doing that around the school! Not that I’m not enjoying the training mission, it’s just that I don’t feel that there should be two similar situations so close... even if they kinda seem far apart now...*looks about again, and nods*
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I didn't say they were quivering wrecks!!
The professor is in a Coma because no one was playing him but me when he was supposed to be an NPC handled by admins and I couldn't handle rping him at the moment so it had been decided to put him in that coma.
Logan and Gambit are perfectly fine, save for Gambit's problems related to the comics - I haven't given him stress and he's enjoying himself as a teacher and even swept Mandra off her feet. So other then personal problems none of my characters are 'off the rail'.
Jean is characteristically going to get severly upset with Scott's death - that isn't something I can change.
Logan is perfectly fine aside from losing someone he has worked with for decades and in such a horrible way. Plus his children are a little torn apart, so he has family issues.
Nightcrawler is perfectly fine and I haven't gone out of character with any of my X-men as far as I try. I didn't want to make it sound as if they were unstable, that wasn't my intention to say they were mentally imbalanced, my characters are far more stable then Matt's Rogue (Though Jean is starting to get to Rogue's level once Scott dies!!)
My X-men are perfectly capable members.
Sorry I haven't read any of your comments really, I can only grab these and run, but I noticed that remark and felt I ought to address it.. I also got a phoneline!!
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um... I know I should wait and all but I thought you'd like to know that before setting things in stone:
While Rogue wouldn't really bother, Storm is too much of a leader to like seeing her team being re-arranged repeatedly coz she'd feel that this would decrease the X-Men's strength as a whole and damage the spirit. So in essence, she'd argue about it unless there are REALLY good reasons (she'd prolly not accept any of those put forward by you yet saying that those were things that just needed to be worked out. she likes challenges and thinking about tactics). Plus she wouldn't want Madison and Frost to leave coz she'd had them in the team since the resurrection of Gold SF.
Also - on a sidenote - I thought letting Garnet report to Storm (as her ex-leader) would be a good thing... Aurora may try to emphasize the progress rather than strongly pointing out the downsides to Exiles so Storm may vote for keeping the team as it is seeing as it's apparently helping its members. Don't get me wrong, Aurora would stick to the truth, just not moan or such coz she doesn't want to admit defeat. If the missions continue as they are now, she may feel like quitting but she'd never do it and rather try everything to keep the team instead... yep, she's odd XD
I guess I could find a way around both things if you insist but it could be difficult sticking true to the characters and all. Silver SF won't be a prob though, Rogue is too distracted with real life anyway
I thought having an Xmen team full of the older members would be good for missions that require skill and talents lacking in younger people especially since the Brotherhood are becomming more active. Either that or a student team could be sent out with Green Rescue Force, thus each of the Xmen would have a student they could look out for.
) but they are highly similar save for personality, and Storm has their respect since she is a woman and all powerful. But also you’ve moved the two powerful mutants from Storm to Gambit, who has been classified as an extremely dangerous mutant in the marvel world, Storm as the drama, but he has the explosive force as far as marvel is concerned… So I just don’t really see why you’ve given an already extremely powerful mutant two additionally powerful ones – well wait no… Gypsy and Cat is there so I do sort of get it but still…
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