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Gene
Unregistered User (3/3/03 8:16 am) Reply |
Hey guys
Good to hear from you again Stefan,
It's hard describing what a guru is but it's a spiritual guide/teacher. When you think guru think Yoda from Stra Wars, kind of like that (I think you can see that cozad is much better at definitions than I am). Yes Stefan it was "gorilla" (not ape, because it would've sounded funny at the moment because he was talking to an ape [lol]) And I guess Brent was kind of rude to Cornilius and Zira. Taylor was a little in the first one also, as he tells Cornilius a few times (or only once) to shut up. I really don't know if studios are aware of online petitions, but a few times I've seen some petitions requesting things and the studios have done it (it was either a major coincidence or the studios really see them) I don't even know if my petition is posted on petition online because I've made a few other petitions before and never saw them on there. I figured I would have a little luck posting it on this message board and planetoftheapesonline. And thanks for being the first one to sign my petition : ). (I hope more people sign it, it's not looking good right now but then again it's only been up for a day). Thanks for noticing my errore, I guess I got a little too excited while writing it, and I don't think I can edit it : (. Later, -Gene |
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Gene
Unregistered User (3/3/03 8:20 am) Reply |
Woops, I ment Yodo from Star Wars, My mistake sorry CYA, -Gene |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/3/03 3:11 pm) Reply |
Linda and the Guru; sad story. Well Stefan, I was just jokeing. I really don't re-watch my ape films that often. Mostly I watch cable news programs and keep up with current events. That's what really keeps me from watching movies. Yes, I think Gene pretty much explained what a guru is. I think in Linda's case she was young, had come from a small town, and had all of a sudden found her self married to this very powerful and importand man and it was a bit of a shock to her. I think Linda had been so driven (with her acrobatics and acting and beauty contests) that she had sacrificed a lot of her childhood (this is just a suspicion as I don't really know Linda well; I'm just going on what I read in the intereveiw and on what I know about her history) and had not had an oportunity to grow spiritualy. I think she had a crises of meaning; kind of an existencial crises, and she found this guru or spiritual leader (probably a teacher of eastern mysticism) and looked to him to give her answers. She says he drove a wedge between her and Dick and had his own agenda (wrote screenplays that he wanted filmed or something). I think he kind of took advantage of Linda's vulnerabiltiy (perhaps in the hopes of getting his screenplays produced) and perhaps even tried to brainwash her (thus getting her to change her name to Augusta Summerland). I mean I don't know if this is accurate but this is the impression I got from reading Linda's interveiw. Linda attributed this lack of fulfillment, in part, to feminist philosophy; this idea that women were supposed to feal unfulfilled. It seems like this guru character must have imployed this philosophy to drive a wedge between Linda and Zanuck. Anyway that was what had made me so sad; to have heard that Linda had been once so emotionaly vulnerable and had been taken advantage of by this oportunistic guru. Linda is a wise woman but it would seem she's payed her dues for that wisdom. I know what its like to by emotionaly vulnerable. In my early twenties I also had a crises of meaning and went on a quest for truth. From her interview, however, it sounds like Linda almost got mixed up in some kind of cult. I guess she got out of it, realized what was going on; but by the time she did her marrage had ended. Its really sad. like I wrote earlier, the Beatles also got mixed up with this guru. They all followed actress Mia Farro to India to hang out with this guy whom they regarded as 'divine' or as somekind of avatar or something. However they (the Beatles) eventualy realized he was just a man (aparently he kept trying to get his female followers to sleep with him) and as a man had alterior motives so they ended up leaveing his comunity. I guess their was a lot of that going on with the Holywood crowd back in the sixties and seventies. It's probably still going on for all I know. I think a lot of succesful people in Hollywood work hard; realize their hearts desire, and discover it isn't enough; they have a crises of meaning. We once spoke of Yasmeen Bleeth and her problems (BTW Yasmeen seems to be makeing a comback. I saw her on the cover of a magazeen in a teeny bikini looking great and I heard theirs going to be a Baywatch reunion movie. So she's gradualy makeing her comback). Some actors turn to guru's others turn to drugs. But its all motivated by many of the same kinds of problems in my opinion. But what do I know. I talk to much! Like Linda once told me "you can't understand someone unless you've walked in thier shoes." -cozad |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/3/03 3:17 pm) Reply |
Correction: In my last post I mistakenly made it sound like the guru Linda got mixed up with was the same one the Beatles got mixed up with. I really don't know if it was or not. It was just a typo. -cozad |
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Gene
Unregistered User (3/3/03 7:42 pm) Reply |
The world we live in. Hi guys, cozad I might be getting the wrong interpritation of what your saying. And I don't think I should be saying the interpritation (as I might shoot off something I wish I could take back) plus I don't want to offend Linda in any way shape or form (or her teachers). I wonder if the guru though was contiously seperating Linda from Zanuck and if had known of their kids (if so then [sorry but] damn him). You know I'm really getting sick of the environment around me and the kind I go to school with. The people are too stupid and arrogent (not to mention perverted)to realize what is going to happen to them. "There is love making but no love." It seemes that both of you (cozad & Stefan) are two of the only few people who keep me on my feet these days. It seemes that every one else wants to turn the world into a giant ghetto. It's really sad, I won't be surprized if we destroy eatchother. Pehaps at the end of POTA when Taylor found the half burried statue of liberty he wasn't surprized but devastated, perhaps on the outside Taylor didn't know this but inside he was saying "I knew this was going to heppen I just knew it!" Taylor left because of the environment he was living in, perhaps that's why I could relate so much to him (not because he's the hero). Later, -Gene |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/3/03 9:37 pm) Reply |
Re: Hi Gene, Sounds like your haveing your own crises of meaning. Don't worry about what other people are doing. Leave them to God. God is Love and will deal with them in His own good time so that many hearts will be softened (not all perhaps but many). It may take years but it will happen In the mean time, be the kind of person you think is good, stay true to your core beliefs, and don't become what you hate by hateing others. Ok, end of speach. Yes, I don't want to fire off something I can't take back either but my impression from reading Liinda's interview was that this guru fellow was a real S.O.B. We should never think of anyone (be him saint, clergyman or what ever) as more divine or closer to God than ourselves. We are all God's children. We can go to others for advise (we should have the humility necessary to do that; to seek out those with greater experiance) but like Plato or Aristotle, once we learn the wisdom of our teachers we become teachers ourselves (thus, so noone is really more devine or closer to God than you are. Sometimes people have more experiance and you should respect their advise but keep in mind they are not infalible and they are certainly not perfect or better than you). So thinking of another man as devine or perfect is where tyrany starts. -cozad |
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Gene
Unregistered User (3/5/03 8:12 am) Reply |
Re:Re:Re: Hi, Well cozad I wouldn't say that I'm having a crisis of meaning. I'll live through this, it's not like it will kill me. And I don't hate others (just kind of resent them), I'm alright though. Yeah cozad I got the same impression you did about this guru fellow (he was a real SOB). But that's just the impression me (and you) get. You thinking what I'm thinking about the guru? (I don't think it's approapriet to say it at the moment considering I might fire off something I wish I could take back). So you think some guru's are ignorant of others? Later, -Gene |
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Speed Demon
Registered User Posts: 156 (3/5/03 10:11 am) Reply |
Re Hi Gene, - yeah, it was somehow funny - this was the first time I was the first to sign a petition! I have to compare again how Taylor was to Cornelius and Zira compared to how Brent was to them. You're right, Taylor was probably also a bit rude sometimes, but I think it was strange how rude Brent was... Oh, and I'm sorry to hear about your crisis... yes, life can be very hard sometimes... ... you know, I read Bruce Willis had problems with stuttering in his youth. But what did he do? - he played in the school theatre, and one day it was gone... I somehow find it very astonishing that young Bruce Willis had the courage to go on stage despite his stuttering all the time... and that seemed to work out very well for him. Hi cozad, you're right - this sounds logical (what you said about the "guru"). Oh, and yes, I wanted to ask if it was the same guru as the Beatles had, but I saw you made it clear it wasn't... Thanks for the info - so Yasmine Bleeth is coming back! Well, see you two later, I think there's more time for all of us on weekend... Bye Stefan |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/5/03 11:08 am) Reply |
Yasmeen's low-rise bikini and Linda's lofty philosophy: Yea, it was a photo shoot with all the main Baywatch actresse's from the past and they all wore skimpy low-rise bikini's. Yasmeen looked great (even though she is of mature years. But maybe I don't see her as being as old as you do because she's over ten years your senior and she's a few years younger than I). Anyway her body looks twenty-five rather than thirty-five so it worked. I think she's probably trying to let Hollywood know that despite her past (I hope its past) drug addiction she has still kept in shape; she hasn't let her figure go. This is very importand to actress's (to be seen as young and in shape) as far as securing work for themselves and such. I just hope she's not desperate enough to do PLAYBOY. I"m not a prude, its just that PLAYBOY would make people think she was desperate which I don't think would be good for her career right now (just one man's opinion). She should try to get back on a good TV show like NASH BRIDGES. Oh well, its so fun to post on the YASMEEN BLEETH FORUM But Seriously, getting back on topic, I'm glad my impresssion of Linda's interview made sence to you. I could have been way off on some of my assumptions but its just that something about what she said made me think of the Beatles and Mia Farrow also going off to live with this guru and than only to find out the guy wasn't as spiritual as he pretended but had ambitions other than just helping people. Linda has become something of a teacher or spiritual guide. She sent me some advise a while back. She told me that everything that happens in life happens for a purpose. She said that God creates the universe to conform to certain laws. When we act contrary to those laws this brings suffering. However this need not be viewed as a negative thing for it is through suffering that we attain enlightenment. I think Linda try's to stay positive; even about suffering. I agree with her to a certain point; that suffering often brings enlightenment; but this in no way deminishes the pain of it. Maybe the great existentialist philosopher and Concentration camp survivor Victor Frankel who wrote "To live is to suffer, but to servive is to find meaning in the suffering" had it right. That seems to be what Linda seeks; to find meaning in the suffering we all go through and impart that wisdom to others so that they can remain hopeful and positive. -cozad |
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Speed Demon
Registered User Posts: 157 (3/5/03 12:59 pm) Reply |
Re Hi, no sure - I find Yasmine Bleeth also awesome despite her being over a century older than me... Oh, and I agree, I hate it when people pose for Playboy... it's just so "cheap". E.g., since you know Yasmine Bleeth, do you know Erika Eleniak? I liked her in the first 2 Baywatch series ('though I don't like the later Baywatch series), but she posed for Playboy. Honestly I do have a problem with it... I wouldn't ever take a look in her Playboy magazines... I mean when you like a person or a star you want to respect her and you really don't wanna see her naked, do you agree? That was interesting what you mentioned about Linda and her searching for meaning in suffering and what you had to say to it. I agree to a certain point, too, however there's always one thing that disturbs this theory so much for me: I mean, OK, it might be "alright" if someone has to suffer, maybe even for a long time, e.g. so he realizes how valuable a life with less suffering, pain or sorrows is. But: What I don't get, what about people dying, especially young children (e.g. having cancer) or innocent people dying in war - I can't find a sense in it. OK, it probably might help people who have survived to realize how valuable life is or that they should be grateful they hadn't died, but what about the people who had died? I mean, they won't have a second chance... CYA Bye Stefan |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/5/03 1:32 pm) Reply |
Re:
Well, about people suffering and dieing at a young age; this is just my personal beliefe, I believe that the soul is eternal. Thus, while the body may be young and the brain unformed the soul is perfectly formed and whole and normal. But when it comes into this life it's unformed brain and body are not able to yet facilitate all the wisdom of the fully formed soul. I could be wrong (how can you know unless youve journeyed beyond this life and than come back) but I think such souls that are taken away from us too early come here for a specific reason; maybe for the people who are here now; people who have come into this life to love and care for such a soul for a short time. And I beleive that even a short painful life will somehow perfect that soul as it journies through eternity. Perhaps that soul will choose (as I beleive each soul chooses) to come back into another life with greater insight or else it will choose to remain in the after life and learn in other ways or be a guide to souls that choose to become incarnate in this life or somewhere else in the universe. Listen, I don't pretend to have all the answers. I just bring up these ideas to sudgest that their is more in heaven and on earth than is drempt of in your philosphy Haratio (I'm paraphrasing Hamlet by the way).
Linda sudgested something else to me. She said God's law is the law of love. We should love out naighbor as ourselves. You can't do one without the other. You transgress as much against God's law if you love your naighbor but fail to love yourself as when you love yourself but fail to love your naighbor. You can't do one without the other and if you to only one or neither you go against God's law and have suffering. I think that is what Linda is saying. I think their is meaning in love. However, I disagree with Linda somewhat. That is, I think that souls that come into this life have chosen ahead of time; before they take on a physical body, that they will be either care givers or they will afford caregivers the oportunity to learn what they need to learn by allowing themselves to be cared for and loved by those souls that choose to come into life as caregivers. In my case I have been both a care giver and, at the same time, have had my own illnesses and had to allow myself to be cared for. This has been a humbeling experience. It has tought me both love and humility. So you can be both; you dont't have to be one or the other. But I think this is done volantarily before the soul becomes incarnate. Well, about PLAYBOY, I don't have a hang-up about nudity persay but yes I don't patronize PLAYBOY. Its not out of any moral objections. I just don't get into it. I think its sexier if something is left to the emagination. When you see it all right there before you the mystery is over and so is the fun. I like a good looking woman in a bikini though! Oh, I was just jokeing about the Yasmeen Bleeth forum. Yes, I remember you telling me about the fate of her real forum. Well, not that she's makeing a comeback maybe they'll start another. I agree Linda's the best; better than all the rest! -cozad |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/5/03 1:53 pm) Reply |
Hi Gene! Gene, I'm glad you don't hate anyone. I did'nt mean to imply that you did. I did get the impression you might be waisting to much vital energy worrying about the falts of others (which you can't do anything about). But I'm glad your not haveing a crises. Oh, and I don't know what your thinking about that guru and anyway it doens't matter; I don't know anymore than I've already written on the subject (and much of that was conjecture). cozad |
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Speed Demon
Registered User Posts: 158 (3/5/03 3:39 pm) Reply |
Re You might be right... of course I respect your belief (and that of many others). Still, to me it's honestly not easy to believe that after death the soul of one's person will live on. I mean, I wish it would be this way; but I mean I'm afraid - what if I believe it all the time... then I die and I'm just gone... sorry, that might sound egoistic... but I just want to say I rather believe there won't be anything 'cause I don't know. I don't want to say there definetely won't be a life "after death" though... I'm just too afraid that there won't be anything... I hope this isn't too personal, but I wonder: Did you believe in the things you described at young age (like me in your twenties) already? I wonder if my belief will change later in my life... you know, there were times I think I believed in God, but it honestly still is a mystery to me whether he exists or not. I have to say it's not easy for me to believe in such things that I can't see... Anyway, regarding nudity and so on, I agree, I don't like such photographs, but of course I also like women in bikinis! Yes, I'd like to see Yasmine Bleeth's official site again... anyway, sorry, let's keep this for a Yasmine Bleeth forum... Hm, let me see, what could we talk about Linda... ... what I remember from that interview, I found it interesting that Linda said in the shooting breaks she was spending much time with Charlton Heston and it was great for her as she was a fan of him. I found that very interesting - that really must have been awesome... I mean, who wouldn't like to spent weeks or even months with his favorite star. Honestly I wonder if good ol' Chuck didn't think sometimes: "Damn, why can't I just be Taylor and she can't be Nova for real?" Sorry, I hope this wasn't to offensive, I know Linda was married and it was good that Chuck didn't start any attempts, I just wondered if he sometimes had this dream with him being Taylor and Linda being Nova No, but seriously, do you think they have become friends and have remained friends over the years? I mean, I remember they had this POTA evening together some time ago... but I wonder if they had (and have) a real friendship (I would like to hear they have)... ... and regarding Charlton Heston's illness (Alzheimer) I feel so sorry... Later... Bye Stefan |
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Gene
Unregistered User (3/5/03 3:45 pm) Reply |
Hi guys. Thanks for your guys kind words. And I'm not thinking of giving up acting, I have a love for film, I just have to be on the stage before I go to film, I want to write my own films as well, to be a good acter you have to be good with literature. You know sometimes when things are not perfect, they seem a lot better rather than handy dandy (plus it would make a lot more sense) like when George Lucas filmed "American Graffiti" the only takes he put in the film were the ones where the acters made mistakes, it makes things seem more real (and I'm not talking about flubs). In my acting class I was doing a fight scene (whitch I did not want to do because usually fighting on film is a job for stunt men [despite the fact then when I'm an acter I'll want to do my own stunts]) and I tackle this one guy (whitch that part went perfect, but) when the guy got up right before I did, his knee hit right in the forhead knocking me back on the ground and no one seemed to realize this until the scene was over, but I guesse it made the scene look more real. To get back on topic, I think it's obviouse that we can tell that Linda is a good person. She got to movies with her good looks (which usually doesn't happen) you know, by winning beauty contest, most people would have gotten stuck up by now but that glamour never got to Lindas head, which is a good thing. I guess it's because Linda was a small town girl. Later, -Gene |
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Gene
Unregistered User (3/5/03 3:58 pm) Reply |
Hey again, Well Stefan I think Heston was married at that time (sorry you probably wrote that last message to cozad). Heston was most likely Linda favorate star (I never heard her admiring other actors). Heston was mature at that time (what do I mean was? He still IS mature! And I really feel sorry for Heston having Alzhiemers, I saw the announcment on the news, it really just sucks, Hestonis one of those acters that you just can't forget, he is awsome! Later, -Gene |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/6/03 5:10 am) Reply |
Heston and Life after death and stuff: Hi Gene, Hi Stefan, Stefan-When I was in my early twenties-like I've already mentioned-I was going through a "crises of meaning." I found it helped me to read Carl Jung (if you could find a copy of the book "THE PORTABLE JUNG" that would be a great intorduction to Jungs otherwise voluminous works). Also the writings of Joseph Campbell are great. Campbell was a student of Jung's. Both are desecesed (I forget when Jung died-probably in the 60's and Campbell dies arround 198 I read the Bible and am a Christian but I don't complicate it. I don't beleive every single thing in scripture as fact. I beleive the basics such as God is Love. I beleive Christ came to reveal to us that we were all children of God (He called God father) and the early Christians tought that Christ came to make us "sons" or children of God and inheritors of God's Kingdom. Chirst taought that God is Love. So it seems that Christ came into this world to elevate us; to bring humanity up to his level, rather than to subordinate and subjugate us. But their are some things in scripture that I don't agree with. For example take the ten commandments. I have trouble with absolutes. Take the comandment "though shalt not kill." Who wouldn't kill to protect their children? Or the commandment "Though shalt not steel." Who wouldn't steel if their children were starving. Some people are confronted with these situtuations. Or the pronouncement against divorce. Does that mean that a woman should remain in an abusive relationship? I disagree with such laws in the sense that they are pronoucements of moral absolutes and I think that in and of itself is imoral. But I do beleive such statements as "God is Love" is pure revelation and I believe it. When I was your age I was more of an agnostic; neither rejecting nor believeing in God. But their was enough faith in me to beleive that if thier was a God I could find it within myself the ability to beleive in Him/Her with the proper study. So I hope those books might help you. They were not the only books I read; they were just the begining of my journey. You may be lead to Catholisims or to Buhdism after you read those books, or you may remain an agnostic. Everyones's journey is different. I don't believe God has petty human qualities; gets jellous of us if we don't believe in Him and sends us to Hell for that. God is Love. So as long as you show Love youre serving God regardless of what you call yourself. Maybe that is a good place to start. Yes, Heston and his wife Lydia were married (I think) before or shortly after Heston went into the survice (he is a World War II vetran; served in the Pacific as I recall. He was a young officer at the time. You can read all about this in Heston's autobiography "IN THE ARENA." Well, I don't know if I answered all your questions but I'd better end this measage before I get booted off my computer. Talk to you latter Gene! -cozad |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/6/03 5:24 am) Reply |
And another thing... He Gene. That's interesting about your stunt fighting scene. I think that's great that you want to do your own stunts and learn about writer. Guess you want to be a method actor? Yes, I agree its sad news about Heston's alzhiemers. That realy disturbes me. I hope they find a cure (its a common desease in the elderly and the older you get the probability of you contracting it rises). Fortunalty Heston's was diagnosed early and with the proper medication the desease can be slowed down considerabley. Yes, I agree that Linda cares more about wisdom, and helping others than about fame; she's a beautiful soul full of wisdom and humility and love. -cozad |
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Speed Demon
Registered User Posts: 159 (3/6/03 7:27 am) Reply |
Re Gene, >his knee hit right in the forhead knocking me back on the ground and no one seemed to realize this until the scene was over, but I guesse it made the scene look more real. LOL Oh, and sorry, I just addressed my last post to cozad as we were just writing to each other, of course it's a pleasure if you have to say anything to it, too... Well, I think it's great you don't give up acting... I hope you will succeed! cozad, I honestly haven't heard of Jungs and Campbell yet, maybe I get a book of them one day... sounded interesting... Sorry, but what does "agnostic" mean? (again I couldn't find it in my dictionary...). I agree with what you said about the 10 commandments... also, I don't know how exactly it is translated into English, but there's one line in the bible that says: If someone hits you, then also give him your other cheek to hit. That doesn't sound like a right for self-defendance! Oh, and I said I don't mind Yasmine Bleeth is a century older than me and you didn't disagree?! Heston was in WW II, wow... now I understand there might be a reason for his "obsession" for the NRA, I never thought about that... Anyway, I hope his medication will help Heston to slow down the Alzheimer a lot... What I wondered about - do you think Linda and Charlton became friends when shooting POTA? Greetings Stefan |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/6/03 10:29 am) Reply |
Heston and Linda I Stefan, I don't think Heston saw any combat (it's been a while sense I read "IN THE ARENA" but I don't seem to recall him saying he had seen any. If he did he probably didn't see much. But yeah, he does come from that WWII generation while Linda comes from that 1960's protest counter-culture generation, so this in and of its self might explain why Linda's polotics tend to be a bit more liberal than Heston's. I mean, we don't think about it (since they make such a lovely couple on screen) but Heston's old enough to be Linda's father! My impression from reading Linda's writings is that she and Heston were very freindly on the set; that he seemed kind of protective toward her because she was so young and they conversed with one another (unlike Kim Hunter who was probably so stressed out whereing that make-up that she didn't seem very sociable). Linda got on well with Roddy McDowal (as Roddy was probably only about ten or fifteen years older than Linda). Everyone else was much older. Still she and Heston got on very well. I don't think they kept in close contact after that. Heston and Zanuck are fairly close I think; I think they keep in contact, but while I think Linda and Heston keep in touch I dont' think they hang out with each other on a regular bases (this may have changed but from the information I have my impression is that Heston's invitation for a private screening of POTA with Linda (last July) was a special occation. Linda has said that she beleives Heston and his wife Lydia respect her). They see one another at conventions and party's from time to time. I also sent off for an autographed photo from Linda and she personalized it. It was a photo of her and Heston at some convention and she signed it something like: "a rare moment with Charlton whom I very much respect and admire." So I guess she calls him 'Charlton' and not 'Chuck' like his real close friends. I'm surprised you can't find agnostic in your dictionary. Its a fairly common word (maybe you should get a more difinitive dictionary?). Ok, heres the defintiion in my dictionary: Agnostic- "a person who holds that the ultimate cause (God) and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable." An 'agnostic' is different from an 'atheist'. That is, an atheist denies or rejects that God or the afterlife exist. An agnostic merely states, there's no way of knowing one way or the other so, in effect, the agnostic says they don't know wheater or not God and the afterlife exist. -cozad |
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cozad
Unregistered User (3/6/03 1:15 pm) Reply |
...And yet another thing.... You sited scripture in which Christ says turn the other cheek; mentioned that this precludes 'self-defense.' Yes, thats true but even this isn't consistent. I mean Christ said turn the other cheak when someone strikes you but this was the same Christ who fashioned a wip and chaised out all the money changers from the temple. Was that turning the other cheek? I think not. Like I said, I think the notion we are all God's children and that God is Love is revelation and that is my faith but these other things in scripture I take with a grain of salt. My own interpretation of "turn the other cheek" is that Christ was trying to emphasise that we don't always have to retaliate for each and every harm suffered. Just like in scripture where it says "eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. Instead of interpreting this as a teaching for revenge one might interpret it as simply a teaching designed to limit revenge; in other words trying to teach people that they should not go all out to destroy someone for some little offence. That the retribution should be in proportion to the offense. Thus this places a limit on violence. I think Christ was trying to go a step further than this teaching of placeing a limit on violence by trying to get accross the notion that you don't necessarily have to retaliate at all. But Christ certainly must not have meant this as a moral absolute for than why would he have chaised the money changers out of the temple with a wip? And to get this back on topic, Linda qoted scripture to me once in an email. She qouthed Christ when he said "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." Linda interprets this in the context of the gun debate. She doesn't beleive in guns and believs that Christs prononoucement against liveing by the sword is aplicable to guns; that we should not live by guns either. So Linda definetely reads her Bible! -cozad |
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